Security Plan

[julupes]

:o Hi Everyone,
Can anyone help me. I'm sure I've misunderstood what's been explained?
Is it optional or compulsary to have the Security Plan (Piano di Sicurezza)?
I have visions of a 'little man' camping in our garden with a few jugs of wine guarding over the house, whilst it is been renovated (if it ever gets started). We are been charged €2,800.00 for this service.
Could anyone explain in :o 'idiots terms' :o what it involves.
Would much appreciate any help on this matter.

[Relaxed]

I love the idea of the little man camping with his jugs of wine........

What this "piano di sicurezza" is all about is health and safety at work stuff, nothing to do with anti-burglar measures.

Your geometra is presumably the "direttore di lavoro" for the works on your house. This means he cannot also be in charge of site safety, and he must appoint another geometra (probably someone in his office) to supervise the safety on site. This means a strange geometra might wander around once or twice during the the course of the works, and kick the scaffolding, and take 2,800 (plus VAT) off you for the privilige.

If you think this sounds like jobs for the boys I wouldn't disagree!! The fee is set on a percentage of the contract costs, so is only narrowly negotiable. Unfortunately, unless the scale of your works is very small, it is compulsory to have this piano di sicurezza - something I think they invented in Brussels.

[julupes]

Thanks for that, I think I'm a little wiser.
I understand the reasons for Health and safety, but why we (the clients) are held responsible for the payments! More 'health & safety' bureaucracy!
I must admit I had to snigger at the thought of 'the strange little man' kicking the scaffolding and 'whoops'......:)

[Charles Joseph]

Originally Posted by Relaxed

Your geometra is presumably the "direttore di lavoro" for the works on your house. This means he cannot also be in charge of site safety, and he must appoint another geometra (probably someone in his office) to supervise the safety on site. This means a strange geometra might wander around once or twice during the the course of the works, and kick the scaffolding, and take 2,800 (plus VAT) off you for the privilige.

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Relaxed...Although this is not a task that is automatically given to the direttore di lavori because he/she needs to be abilitato, there is an exception to what you are saying and that is some tecnico's (architects normally have this extra qualification) are qualified to handle this task which means that providing he/she is asked by the client to take charge of site safety there is no need to appoint another geometra.

[The Smiths in Puglia]

Chalres Joseph is absolutely correct - it's just that the geometra has to be abilitata to do the piano di sicurezza and not all geometras are. Please feel free to contact me, if you need any further clarification.


Fulvio Troiano

[Relaxed]

So it could even be the geometra who the owner has met who comes and kicks the scaffolding!!

[julupes]

Hi all,
Didn't expect any further developments on this one, but just got in from work, read further replies, am totally confused (to say the least). :o Old grey matter is bouncing around & can't think! Does this mean if the Geometra has this qualification, I don't need to pay the €2,800?

[Relaxed]

We are all in a bit of a pedantic mood at the moment!

Sorry to break the bad news, but even if your geometra has the relevant qualification for the health and safety overseeing, he will want the 2800, plus IVA (in Charles' post he talks about the usual range of percentages for this service).

[julupes]

:) Many Thanks for that, I think the old grey matter is starting to settle !!!
Will be back in touch when I reach the next hurdle.

[Charles Joseph]

Originally Posted by julupes

Hi all,
Didn't expect any further developments on this one, but just got in from work, read further replies, am totally confused (to say the least). :o Old grey matter is bouncing around & can't think! Does this mean if the Geometra has this qualification, I don't need to pay the €2,800?

As a guideline, the security plan bit varies between 1% and 3% of the value of the renovation contract.

We have just been awarded another renovation contract (it is a sizeable job) where the client's architect is managing the safety plan. The fee comes to 2.5% of the value of the renovation contract.