Residency: A Tale Of Two Comunes

[Marc]

We went with two sets of clients to two different Comunes to help them apply for residency under the new rules.

Comune 1(our own)
Our opening gambit:
"These people would like to apply for residency. We understand that EU citizens do not need a Permesso Di Soggiorno any more"

Their response;
"Yes, they do need a Permesso. They need to bring;
- Passports
- Proof of income/employment
- Proof of marriage translated into Italian and notarised at their local Consulate
- Deeds for the house
- Proof of private medical cover"

"I understand that they can self-certify their income'

"No they can't. Not unless they are Italian citizens"

Comune 2
Our opening gambit:
"These people would like to apply for residency. What do we need to present?"

Their response;
"No problem. Have you got your passports? Fine!, thats all you need. We'll fill the form in right away"

(Sigh)

[Nielo]

So very true Marc, and one of the reasons why some advice here on the forum although accurate for one area is quite useless for another.

We have found that even in the same commune, it depends who you speak to!

[anglital]

Try the airport check-in approach: if you have problems with one clerk/jobs worth because you're a couple of kilos over, leave the queue and return a little later to see just how consistent they are.

[chillout]

very interesting marc,

I received this letter a while back from my comune. This is a national law so take note of the law (D.lgs n30/2007) and if need be show it to your comune.

Oggetto: nuove disposizioni anagrafiche rigurdanti i cittadini dell' Unione Europeai.

Dall'11 aprile 2007 e' entrato in vigore il D.lgs n30/2007 , seguito della circolare esplicativa del Ministero dell'interno n.19 del 6 aprile 2007 , che disciplina la libera circolazione , L'ingresso e il soggiorno dei cittadini europei e dei loro famigliari communitari ed extracomunitari.

In seguito alla nuova normativa, il cittadino comunitario non dovra' piu' richiedere o rinnovare la CARTA DI SOGGIORNO presso la questaura, ma potra' riciedere L'attestazione di regolarita' del soggirno presso il comune di residenza.

Tutti i cittadini comunitari interessati al rilascio dell'attestazione di regolarita' del soggirno, potranno rivolgeri all'Ufficio anagrafe del comune;

Coloro che sono gia' titolari di carta di soggiorno rilasciata dalla questura potranno richiedere il documento spra indicato prima della scadenza della carta in loro possesso.

[liketheroman]

Very good Marc, a specific example of what we all suspected.

However I do hope you were more forthright than you wrote. These people are there to serve you even if they don't always appreciate it.

Perhaps there was not space to write how you put your foot down, demanded your rights, refused to move, cursed the jobsworth blighters and were finally removed kicking and screaming by the local Vigili while shouting the appropriate extract from the 1992 Treaty. All this to the applause and admiration of your clients.

Not that it ever works I know

[Marc]

You know how it is on theses occassions; you always go home and resolve to fight it out in the highest court in Europe, but end up dutifully conforming, and in doing so, reinforce their opinion that they are doing the right thing.
Resistance is futile!

[alan h]

Originally Posted by Marc

You know how it is on theses occassions; you always go home and resolve to fight it out in the highest court in Europe, but end up dutifully conforming, and in doing so, reinforce their opinion that they are doing the right thing.
Resistance is futile!

Are we talking 'residency' or 'the wife' here?

[Beckett's]

Comune 2
Our opening gambit:
"These people would like to apply for residency. What do we need to present?"

Their response;
"No problem. Have you got your passports? Fine!, thats all you need. We'll fill the form in right away"

(Sigh)[/quote]

Having just bought a holiday home in Umbria ( hopefully very extended holidays in future years) but for now holidays and possible lets.
We wondered if it was worth 1 of us applying for residency now?
If so please let me know comune 2 address:

The property is in one name for inheritance reasons.
We have heard such mixed reports of advantages / disadvanatages. Italy v UK.
Has anyone done this?
Also would we have to pay tax in Italy on lets?

any help would be welcome.

Lin

[MargaretM]

Originally Posted by chillout

very interesting marc,

I received this letter a while back from my comune. This is a national law so take note of the law (D.lgs n30/2007) and if need be show it to your comune.

Oggetto: nuove disposizioni anagrafiche rigurdanti i cittadini dell' Unione Europeai.

Dall'11 aprile 2007 e' entrato in vigore il D.lgs n30/2007 , seguito della circolare esplicativa del Ministero dell'interno n.19 del 6 aprile 2007 , che disciplina la libera circolazione , L'ingresso e il soggiorno dei cittadini europei e dei loro famigliari communitari ed extracomunitari.

In seguito alla nuova normativa, il cittadino comunitario non dovra' piu' richiedere o rinnovare la CARTA DI SOGGIORNO presso la questaura, ma potra' riciedere L'attestazione di regolarita' del soggirno presso il comune di residenza.

Tutti i cittadini comunitari interessati al rilascio dell'attestazione di regolarita' del soggirno, potranno rivolgeri all'Ufficio anagrafe del comune;

Coloro che sono gia' titolari di carta di soggiorno rilasciata dalla questura potranno richiedere il documento spra indicato prima della scadenza della carta in loro possesso.

Italian not that good yet - anyone care to translate?

[Marc]

Here goes.....

Subject: New rules for registry offices regarding EU citizens

The law number 30/2007 comes into force from 11 April 2007, following a circular from the Home Office which concerns freedom of movement, immigration, and right to residence of EU (European Union) citizens and family members from within and outside the EU.

Under the new rules, EU citizens do not have to apply for or renew the Carta di Soggiorno at the Regional Immigration Office, but can ask for affermation of the leaglity of their residential status at the Commune in which they live.

All EU citizens can ask for this at the registry office of their Commune.

Anyone who already has a Carta Di Soggiorno.... can ask for for this document before the expiry date of the Carta.