catastal categories, values & pools

[Noma]

Unfortunately 4 billion euro in revenue will be lost.

[adriatica]

noma... thats luckily in my opinion...the shortfall is to be made up by comunes having to balannce their books... those that were already working well will be fine...

to work for the comune in Italy is regarded as better than any private company work...with very short hours and no chance of loosing your position and to top it off ...the best pensions... allowing you to also have a full time job outside of your comune work... and also to take advantage of any works coming into your comune to push it the way of friends and family...

[Noma]

I'm pretty happy with the way my comune has been spending my ICI. They've greatly improved the streets, the piazza, restored many beautiful old buildings in the centro, put in sewers and better street lighing out where I live. Maybe you've just chosen a bad comune to dwell in.

[ram]

To be classed as luxury you must have at least four of the 10 possible luxurious things which inlcude, high quality stone to waist height on the stairwells, tennis court, swimming pool, etc etc .. cant remember all of them.... sounds to me like you have a villa.

[pigro]

Originally Posted by ram

To be classed as luxury you must have at least four of the 10 possible luxurious things which inlcude, high quality stone to waist height on the stairwells, tennis court, swimming pool, etc etc .. cant remember all of them.... sounds to me like you have a villa.

thanks for that. What i currently have is an A/7 i.e. detached house. My original question was whether addition of a pool would automatically cause this to be reclassified as a villa (A/8) or luxury (A/1), but your reply helps me understand that it's not that simple/automatic - which is the answer I was looking for.

[il cacciatore]

Hello pigro,
In answer to your point and as usual in this land of nonsense and paperwork there is no straight answer!
Firstly I brought my house over 5 yrs ago it wasn't habitable at the time and certainly didn't then or now have a pool. Guess what through my house was classified as a luxury house. It didn't even have floors, doors, windows, electrics, gas or anything which make even make it habitable at the time. So why did I have to pay 11% on the house price and 18% on the land? I still don't know to this day!
All I know is that they classified my whole house as habitable which is over 500sq metres and as any house that was over 240 sq metres I would have to pay the extra tax. HOW RIDICULOUS. We only live in part of the house and the rest is animal stalls.
As the total taxes were over 27.000 euro's I could of had a pool installed, at least have it would feel like I had a luxury house.
Anyway in this area of Le Marche the comunes are looking at any reason to tax you extra and if you installed a pool here you would definitely be reclassified as luxury dwelling and pay the extra taxes.
Mind you change your name to a Italian one and you might not get taxed as I have hear.
There's a awful lot of English around here now being taxed extra costs for various different reasons and I've yet to meet an Italian one who has been charged these so called taxes.

[pigro]

Hi, and thanks for the feedback. my house is new build, fully finished, > 240 m.q. habitable, and was still classed as A/7 so I think the regions are dong this differently - or at least they are applying the letter of the law differently. Now I understand that (as usual) nothing is set in stone in these matters in Italy, I'll approach my Geometra in a confident manner, asking him to resubmit the pool application (we got one 5 years ago but didn't have the cash to proceed) and just "tell" him gently that his fee depends on us not getting reclassified!!

[lupo]

Now that seems like the best approach to me Pigro. Meanwhile can anyone tell me where I can find a list of these catastal categories, including the name tags that go with the alphanumeric codes?
(Yes, what's in a name? I know, I know!)

[pigro]

see http://www.italymag.co.uk/forums/ita...html#post51957 for the main 'domestic' categories with their Italian designations.

see below for full list with english designations
A/1=Luxury habitation
A/2=Civil habitation
A/3=Economical habitation
A/4=Low cost habitation
A/5=Very low cost habitation
A/6=Rural habitation
A/7=Detatched house
A/8=Villa
A/9=Castles and palaces with artistic and historical value
A/10=Offices and privates studios
A/11=Typical regional habitation
B/1=Colleges, boarding schools, nursing homes, convents, barracks
B/2=Clinics and hospital
B/3=Prisons and borstals
B/4=Public offices
B/5=Schools, scientific laboratories
B/6=Libraries, art galleries, museums, academies
B/7=Chapels and oratories not for public use
B/8=Basement or underground storage spaces
C/1=Stores and shops
C/2=Wharehouses and storage depots
C/3=Laboratories for arts and crafts
C/4=Buildings and premises for sport activities
C/5=Bathing establishments and spas
C/6=Cow sheds, stables, barns and garages
C/7=Closed or open sheds

[ram]

ICI on the news today says that A1, A8 and A9 are exempt from the 'no ICI on the prima casa' law...Many A7s I know of have pools and arent reclassified as A8... moreso if they are conversion jobs and were rural houses ... A8 seems to be preserved for the new build palazzone the Italians are so keen to build.